I don't, Jordan was taken aback. He didn't want to go in there, but knew he had to. My son was not struggling with thisI, as a parent, as an adult, and as a Christian wanted to be more informed, more loving, more gracious, more Christlike.The thing is, it wasnt even the fact that the book was about homosexuality. Reprinted by permission. And I think this book shouldve been much clearer on the gospel message and conversion, rather than assuming it, or even implying (at the end of the book) that the sole distinguishing mark of a Christian is that they love. Millions of people have been psychologically and emotionally slaughtered over something they were called more than twenty years ago. Brief content visible, double tap to read full content. The last 4 chapter and the appendix were eye-opening and interesting and gave me things to think through and question in my own way.The basis of this book is perfectly explained in this excerpt:Dont worry about being too liberal or too conservative. It breaks down the Christian doctines in a way that doesn't feel judgmental or hateful. As we wrestle with all of this, never forget that we're talking about people real people with real feelings. So whether you are gay or straight or somewhere in between, you have a unique story. This book treated all biblical sins as the same and that sinners must repent and seek guidance. It also analyzed reviews to verify trustworthiness. Shipping cost, delivery date, and order total (including tax) shown at checkout. My point is to be very careful about using these terms and to make sure you don't cause people to feel like some less-than-human "other.". In stock. Words have the power to hurt and to heal, to build up and to tear down. Thank you, Preston Sprinkle, for then read it with your teen! Try again. And we're going to listen to a lot of stories. Prestonis also the founder andpresident ofthe Center for Faith, Sexuality, and Gender. As Jordan's story shows, focusing on truth with little compassion can actually damage other people who are made in God's image. No, not a feisty, angry, explosive conversation maybe you've had some of those before. I think this book displays a beautiful balance of showing love, but also conveying truth. Some questions have simple answers, but many don't. Unfortunately, many gay and lesbians feel like this whenever they hear Christians talk about "those gay people" or other such "they/them"-type words. One where hard questions are raised and genuine answers are given. Recovery from an eating disorder involves learning to think and live in shades of gray. In todays world, the topic of homosexuality seems to be part of daily conversation in the media, in politics, and even inside churches, with pressure to accept one view or the other. While I dont agree with some of the authors specific advice in the last chapter of this book, the author still does an excellent job of explaining different concepts and issues related to homosexuality and transgenderism, as well as laying out the Bibles teaching on this subject. Sprinkles companion to People to Be Loved is an abridged version written to youth and college students. But as we'll see, the discussion about homosexuality is much more complex than just a conversation about sex. What should I do? We're talking about people. (Other than the Bible itself. Just like you and me and everybody else, they're different. He also makes a very good argument that Jesus first LOVED sinners and then called them into repentance and notes that as Christians we have no basis to ask others to ask non-christians to step away from sin, but we can lovingly introduce them to the God and saviour who can. I think this book did well with teaching love and truth. And those who used to love Jesus but were so mocked and hated by Christians that they've left the church. The term gay is often used as a synonym for "same-sex attraction" (or SSA) and doesn't necessarily mean that the "gay" person is acting on that attraction. The term gay is also used very differently depending on the person using it. For now, I'll use the term gay in our conversation as a description of someone who is attracted to the same sex. Authors: Zondervan, Categories: Young Adult Nonfiction. When he entered the room, he was greeted with smiles. We've got to stop talking about issues and start talking about human beings. Some gay and lesbians who act on their attraction, and others who don't. You may wonder, "Isn't that person just a lesbian?" I think you'd probably resist such a label, since you are a unique person, not some clone cut out of straightness. Men who feel more like women, and women who feel like men. Gray, neither black nor white Gray, neither dark nor bright Gray, the color of choice . like in Jordan's conversation with his church leaders. PS treatment of James 1:14-15 muddies the distinction between being attracted to someone of the same sex, and actually desiring them in a sexual manner. Homosexuality and other related issues, such as what it means to identify as transgender and intersex. Stories that make them sing, and stories that make them shudder with cold sweat. And unfortunately, many gay and lesbian individuals have been slashed by words that feel like razor blades across their eyeballs. I did not read this book cover to cover. We're talking about people. I would highly recommend this book. Millions of people have been psychologically and emotionally slaughtered over something they were called more than twenty years ago. He admits that there has been a lot of hurt done in the name of Christianity and that churches and individuals need to seek a better way rather than just publicly humiliating someone. And the confusion continued to dehumanize Jordan limb by limb. Jordan didn't know how to respond. (someone attracted to both men and women), so that word is okay. : Jordan thought. "Homosexuality" is a very broad concept that includes many different types of people. I know it sounds weird for a book to be a "conversation" especially since you won't be able to talk back at this book without others thinking you're nuts. It goes like this: "Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me." I picked up this book to read in hopes of having something to offer a loved one of mine who is 16 and wrestling with questions of faith and sexuality. "I know you all trust me and allow me to help out in church. This book is a biblical look at the sex and gender cultural landscape with people in mind. There was a problem loading your book clubs. No one likes to feel like some "other" a subspecies to the human race. Some who believe in Jesus, and others who despise the Christian faith. But as we'll see, the discussion about homosexuality is much more complex than just a conversation about sex. "Transgender," if you're wondering, refers to someone who doesn't identify with his or her biological sex. One of my only problems with this book is that there were parts where it felt like the author was dumbing it down for teens. In the context I minister, this topic comes up on a weekly basis. He is aNew York Times-bestselling author who's written more than adozen books, includingDoes the Bible support same-sex marriage,Embodied,People to Be Loved,Living in a Gray World, Scandalous Grace, Non-violenceand many more titles. Reviewed in the United States on March 22, 2021. But I know many gay people who aren't having sex. But I know many gay people who aren't having sex. . Or men, in some cases. It was available on Netgalley and I was curious. >>Read/Download Kindle Living in a Gray World: A Christian Teen?s Guide to Understanding Homosexuality All Edition by Preston Sprinkle. He didn't know what to say. "Jordan, we can't condone someone with your lifestyle," another leader interjected with polished conviction. It's recommended for teens age 15 and up, but I would actually recommend it for mature younger teens as well. He mocks them, yells at them, and would love to see the conservative church simply fade out of existence. They work, they play, they eat and sleep. Gray contrails of speeding images Bright colors muted by constant motion Gray brilliantly shrouding an empty existence . Or committed suicide. You're sitting in the front row at church and the preacher keeps talking about ". I really appreciated that this book teaches Christians to not harass people who are of a different sexuality than is thought of as Christianly. Preston and his wifeChris, live in Boise, Idaho, with their 3 daugthers and 1 son. This is not an "us/them" discussion, but very much a "we" discussion. There's no alternative for bisexual (someone attracted to both men and women), so that word is okay. Gray areas demand our best judgment. When many Christians hear the term gay, they immediately think of sexual immorality. From effortlessly blended ash grey balayage to gorgeous cool grey color melts to root-to-tip . Dan isn't very religious and he often gets frustrated with conservative Christians. Sources of grey water include kitchen sinks, showers, baths . What if they're not acting on their attraction? Throughout our conversation, you and I are going to ask some hard questions and sort through some tough debates. Thank you, Preston Sprinkle, for taking the time to write this much-needed book! But I know many gay people who aren't having sex. Excellent book! Living a life without facing pain and loss is living in an "artificial world," a life without God. Lovingly truthful, and truthfully loving.". He did a great job backing his beliefs with scriptures and reminding Christians that none of us are perfect and all sin is sin no matter what we think of as worse then another it is all viewed the same by God. , Sticky notes No, they aren't. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. The last person I want you to meet is Eric. then read it with your teen! It's fine to use it; I'll use it throughout our conversation. is also used very differently depending on the person using it. My point is to be very careful about using these terms and to make sure you don't cause people to feel like some less-than-human "other.". But as you can see, their stories are as different as night and day. Very Clear, Biblical, and Helpful for my High School Ministry, Reviewed in the United States on November 22, 2021. But he knew he had to go. Some who believe in Jesus, and others who despise the Christian faith. So let's drop the "lifestyle" lingo. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. You can say homosexual when referring to concepts or things rather than people ("homosexual relationship," "homosexual desires"). Copyright 2015 Preston Sprinkle. He has written several books including People to Be Loved, Living in a Gray World, Charis, and Erasing Hell, which he co-authored with Francis Chan. The last person I want you to meet is Eric. Learning to Live in the Gray. Eating disorders, depression, and suicide are often caused by hurtful words. Preston has held faculty positions at Nottingham University, Cedarville University, and Eternity Bible College. But almost every gay person I know does not like to be called "a homosexual." . Those nasty, abominable, gay people. She didn't choose to feel this way. But I know many gay people who aren't having sex. The point is, there's no one-size-fits-all category for gay and lesbian people. Living in a Gray World approaches the issue of homosexuality biblically and yet with tremendous compassion and care. That is, the average of three color channels . As a grown adult who can read, I do know what the book is about because I READ the SUBTITLE and description before I put it on hold.Then she proceeded to put the book on hold under my 12 year old sons account, even though I was asking for the hold.A ton of thoughts hit me. If two people love each other and they're not hurting anyone else, then can't they get married? I am grateful that I came across this book. We're going to look at the Bible, psychology, and philosophy. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Teen & Young Adult Christian Social Issues, Teen & Young Adult Values & Virtues eBooks, Teen & Young Adult Dating & Intimacy eBooks, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. I haven't even touched another person. Sometimes the English language demands it. With palms still dripping with sweat, he decided to get it over with. : Both gay and straight people have gay and straight friends. They work, they play, they eat and sleep. It's more or less a simpler version of his other book, but still good, and still focuses on loving others just as much as it focuses on what God expects of us. He had to tell them. They prefer to be called gay or lesbian. I mean, we can't have you working with our children! Justin is a Bible-believing Christian who grew up in a loving family. When many Christians hear the term, they immediately think of sexual immorality. But as we'll see, the discussion about homosexuality is much more complex than just a conversation about sex. Chapters include What Does the Bible Say about Marriage? Gender, Transgender, and Intersex, and Homosexuality All Around Me where he tries to talk straight, providing an inquiry approach to answer questions he frequently receives. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. Lifestyle? "Homosexuality" is a very broad concept that includes many different types of people. Both gay and straight people have gay and straight friends. I felt like most of the people believed it as bad. And if youre a Christian teen, you may feel overwhelmed by the opinions. So if someone asks you, "What's your view on homosexuality?" 4.5 // A really fantastic resource for Christian teens seeking to interact faithfully with issues of sexuality that they or their friends may be experiencing. is about understanding fellow human beings. I tend to just use LGBT or sometimes LGBTQ. Excerpted by permission of ZONDERVAN. Reviewed in the United States on November 4, 2019. : And this short read gave me exactly that.What I noticed straight away was how qualified this author was to write this book. The point is, there's no one-size-fits-all category for gay and lesbian people. Too often, the terms gay or homosexual are quickly followed by the word lifestyle, like in Jordan's conversation with his church leaders. I haven't even touched another person. He and his family live in Boise, Idaho, and he currently helps pastors and leaders engage the LGBTQ conversation with thoughtfulness and grace. The nature of todays conversation about sexuality means that this book, written in 2015, already feels a bit dated in some ways, but the core concepts are still really valuable and I would comfortably recommend it. So let's have that discussion. It was a puzzling topic that I definitely needed to do some reading up on: and this ARC gave me a great chance to do so. In case you're wondering, Jordan got through that frightful evening with the leaders at his church. Brilliant. I've introduced you to Dan, Maddie, Justin, Jordan, Lesli, and Eric because there's something we really need to agree on up front. The point is, there's no one-size-fits-all category for gay and lesbian people. Almost all of them have similar stories of feeling less than human and being painfully misunderstood. This is terribly wrong. That is. In fact, he's one of the most life-giving humans I've ever hung out with. Copyright 2015 Preston Sprinkle. I feel like I'm attracted to the same sex, but I have no one to talk to. but maybe they will in the future? Dan is the type of guy many Christians think of when they hear the word. And the confusion continued to dehumanize Jordan limb by limb. Preston Sprinkle does an excellent job arguing for the importance of loving and accepting all people, especially those of the LGBTQ community. Dr. Sprinkle shares biblical truth and compassion about this important topic. I haven't even touched another person. Focus on the people, not the issue. That is, don't use it as a noun, like, "Hey, look at that homosexual." That person may be a woman on the outside, but they feel like the opposite gender and have the thoughts and emotions of a man, or vice versa. We are all individual human beings. Im grateful for Prestons loving, biblical, and relevant treatment on such a controversial topic. And if you're a Christian teen, you may feel overwhelmed by the opinions. However you feel about homosexuality, the Bible, or whatever, this truth is nonnegotiable: Homosexuality is about people and not about some issue. I stumbled across this book as I was desperately searching for relevant Christian resources for this topic, and I'm so glad I bought this book! However you feel about homosexuality, the Bible, or whatever, this truth is. Ash grey is the perfect multi-dimensional neutral to flatter many hairstyles, base colors, and undertones without any stark grow-out lines or brassiness. I'm glad you asked these good questions. : Using your mobile phone camera - scan the code below and download the Kindle app. Short enough to read in one day, yet covers so much information. And today, he actually has a very good relationship with people at his church. Does every gay person have the same, I think what people really mean by "lifestyle" is here we go . This book was recommended by the lead pastor in my church; specifically to help children in the church navigate relationships that are not conventional. This book seems to fit the bill: it is attractive, well-written, and faithful to biblical . There has to be a better way, and there is . 2022-23 | Issue 07. We have been waiting for a book to help Christian teens navigate questions about sex and gender. The author refers to sexuality and attempts to speak from a very limited viewpoint. Living a lukewarm life is actually living in a "gray world" because you are missing out on the joys and blessings God intends for us. ask them what they mean by homosexuality before you answer. Sandra Gray has worked for WCW and WWE in the past. To see our price, add these items to your cart. Full content visible, double tap to read brief content. There was only one typo that I could find in my ARC. That is, Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender. However, he gives context to this sin by noting that ALL people, especially all Christians engage in sin (lust, adultery, greed, slander, etc.) I've even used these terms a few times already, in case you didn't notice! He has written several books including People to Be Loved, Living in a Gray World, Charis, and Erasing Hell, which he co-authored with Francis Chan. Preston Sprinkle has encountered these same questions, and as a theologian and a college professor he has dealt with these issues firsthand. It talked about how acting on homosexual attraction is a sin but that the attraction itself isn't. I asked the librarian to put a book on hold for me. I stumbled across this book as I was desperately searching for relevant Christian resources for this topic, and I'm so glad I bought this book! Im grateful for Prestons loving, biblical, and relevant treatment on such a controversial topic. and so NO PERSON has the right to judge or condemn another. Both gay and straight people have gay and straight friends. People need grace, to be loved, to be accepted for who they are (and acceptance does not necessarily always equate affirmation) and to be welcomed into the life of the church. Wouldnt make eye contact with me. Dan is a gay man happily married to another man. I know it sounds weird for a book to be a "conversation" especially since you won't be able to talk back at this book without others thinking you're nuts. So if someone asks you, "What's your view on homosexuality?" Living in a Gray World. , File size I've even used these terms a few times already, in case you didn't notice! As a grown adult who can read, I do know what the book is about because I READ the SUBTITLE and description before I put it on hold. And those who used to love Jesus but were so mocked and hated by Christians that they've left the church. You've already met my friend Jordan. And they have stories. I wholeheartedly support Preston Sprinkles approaching to loving ALL people, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity, and I think he does a great job of balancing that authentically with what the Bible says about homosexuality. (There could be some bad answers out there, but no bad questions.) And that's why Maddie is a lesbian. What if they're not acting on it now, but maybe they will in the future? Mr. Trump's new financial disclosure states that the company he created for the NFT project, CIC Digital LLC, had between $100,001 and $1 million in income. What if they're not acting on it now, but maybe they will in the future? I am Christian trying walk my kids thru a world surrounded by homosexuality and hate. Goodness gracious.Anyway, none of that is about this book specifically, but it certainly affirmed why I was reading the book and why the book is so desperately needed.I cant say that I agree with 100% of what is said in these pages. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on May 4, 2019, Preston Sprinkle is someone who writes and speaks with deep love and authenticity. Living in a Gray World explores with readers: Homosexuality and other related issues, such as what it means to identify as transgender and intersex What the Bible says about homosexuality How to cultivate a heart for people Dr. Sprinkle shares biblical truth and compassion about this important topic. What if they're not acting on it. God loves you and has great plans for you. But we need to be very clear about what we mean. I have had conversations already that have informed me of the nature of the issue, and it's not like a "born this way" situation. Drinking, dating, kissing, gambling, smoking, clothing, music, movies, television, birth control, dancing, spending your money, home schooling, working moms, etc. "[d]on't worry about being too liberal or too conservative. children." I'm not a Christian but I like reading what Christians and others have to say about the subject of homosexuality, so I was interested to read this book. This is not an "us/them" discussion, but very much a "we" discussion. in this discussion. If two people love each other and they're not hurting anyone else, then can't they get married? ", The first friend I want to introduce to you is Dan. He mocks them, yells at them, and would love to see the conservative church simply fade out of existence. First page of Dodsley 's illustrated edition of Gray's Elegy with illustration by Richard Bentley. Preston and his wifeChris, live in Boise, Idaho, with their 3 daugthers and 1 son. And sometimes there are several other letters added to the mix, like LGBTQTIAP (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Transsexual, Intersex, Asexual, Pansexual) and a long list of others. Justin breaks all the stereotypes of what some people say "makes" people gay. very easy to read and understand content. The term, is often used as a synonym for "same-sex attraction" (or SSA) and doesn't necessarily mean that the "gay" person is acting on that attraction. However, I think in his desire to avoid bringing shame to those who struggle with same-sex attraction, he opens the door to equating sexual sin with actions only. All rights reserved. It goes like this: "Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me." I'm probably more pure than any other guy my age. His hands were trembling and his face dripped with sweat. Please try again. Im a college pastor who has continually wanted a biblical, compassionate resource to give to students and youth who are either struggling with same sex attraction or trying to figure out what the Bible says about homosexuality. But because the filing cuts off on . There's not. He then spent several years studying what the Bible says about same-sex relations, and he ended up concluding that, based on his interpretation, the Bible does not condemn consensual, loving, same-sex marriages. Type: BOOK - Published: 2015-12-08 - Publisher: Zondervan GET EBOOK . (Even though it is written for the 15-22 yo demographic so they should read it too!) Lifestyle? Whose side would you be on? The Bible says that they are an abomination!". As if that wasn't bad enough, he raped her over the next four years. He had spent several years wrestling with his same-sex attraction, though his commitment to the Bible prevented him from acting on it. Preston Sprinkle does an excellent job arguing for the importance of loving and accepting all people, especially those of the LGBTQ community. Are we talking about people having sex with someone of the same gender? As Jordan's story shows, focusing on truth with little compassion can actually damage other people who are made in God's image. Download the free Kindle app and start reading Kindle books instantly on your smartphone, tablet, or computer - no Kindle device required. He mentions over and over about this being a conversation but it really doesnt come across that way. )So I can say that the first 5 chapters were invaluable. Please try again. It shouldnt be looked down upon. Ive found this to be an essential guide for the believer in navigating the hyper sexualized and multi sexualized world we live in today. He had spent several years wrestling with his same-sex attraction, though his commitment to the Bible prevented him from acting on it. There's another set of words that should rarely be used. People to Be Loved: Why Homosexuality Is Not Just an Issue, Embodied: Transgender Identities, the Church, and What the Bible Has to Say. What if someone's actually straight, but they've had same-sex experiences in the past? There's another set of words that should rarely be used. I, as a Christian, have always wondered about homosexuality as it is on the top of everyones tongues. They all have a unique set of experiences, joys and fears, things they hate and love, things that make them smile and other things that make them crazy mad. In case you're wondering, Jordan got through that frightful evening with the leaders at his church. They prefer to be called gay or lesbian. It shouldnt be weird. Preston M. Sprinkle is the president of Theology in the Raw, which started as apodcast and has grown into muchmore, includinganannualExiles in Babylon Conference, hosted in Boise Idaho. My friend Lesli is a female, but from the time she was four years old she believed that she was a boy. Almost all of them have similar stories of feeling less than human and being painfully misunderstood. Would recommend this book (or even better "A people to be loved" to everyone. Through honest conversation, real-life examples, and biblical research, Dr. Sprinkle unpacks what we can know to be true, and how Scriptures overall message to us today allows us to move forward and find answers that align with Gods intent. Just like you and me and everybody else, they're different. (Some of you don't need to pretend.) Are we talking about people having sex with someone of the same gender? By KEVIN GRAY. Read instantly on your browser with Kindle for Web. After all, gay and lesbian people live the same lives as straight people. What if someone's actually straight, but they've had same-sex experiences in the past? Includes initial monthly payment and selected options. There's no alternative for bisexual (someone attracted to both men and women), so that word is okay. These promotions will be applied to this item: Some promotions may be combined; others are not eligible to be combined with other offers. As Jordan sat through the rest of the rather brief meeting, he felt his humanity slipping away. The author uses debunked theories about homosexuality, transgender, and intersexed people. and so NO PERSON has the right to judge or condemn another. Unfortunately, many gay and lesbians feel like this whenever they hear Christians talk about ", gay people" or other such "they/them"-type words. And they have stories. He believes that 'the homosexuality question is first and foremost about beautiful people loved by God' (p.52), so the book is filled with stories of people Preston . But a transgender woman identifies as a man (regardless of what their body looks like) and is attracted to women. Your writing gives insight into a very deep struggle and a world that is often confusing to many. I didn't decide this. He might as well have been stuffed in a cage and sold to the zoo. Sandra Gray is a highly revered figure in the world of pro . I'm not going to pretend that there's one cookie-cutter answer to every question. ransgender. He mocks them, yells at them, and would love to see the conservative church simply fade out of existence. Good questions, hard questions, weird questions, or questions you can't ask anyone else. Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard. Dan is the type of guy many Christians think of when they hear the word homosexuality. Instead, the Bible gives Christians the liberty to make God-glorifying decisions based on their convictions. Preston has held faculty positions at Nottingham University, Cedarville University, and Eternity Bible College. But we need to be very clear about what we mean. It shouldnt be shamed. 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