"interactionStatistic": { If youre a John Deere fan, you might be disappointed to learn that the 338 baler has some serious problems. yes. "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=implment&th=234960", "description":"Discussion of 336 john deere baler with 30 thrower problems in the Implement Alley forum followed by comments. Ask Our Online Mechanic , Get an Answer ASAP. it has done this even before all this work was done. However, we have provided a summary of these instructions below. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I set tension for bale weight that I desire(50-60#) then if knotter doesn't knot correctly then address the knotter problems. "@type": "WebPage", The knotters were rebuilt in 1990. You're a power user moving through this website with super-human speed. If you own a John Deere 336 Baler, it is important to know the proper timing for operating this machine. Always in stock so you can get it fast. "image": { From the expensive repairs to the frustrating jams, it seems like this machine is nothing but trouble. I've baled almost 50,000 bales since those adjustments with only knife sharpening and needle brake adjustment. Finally, you should ask the seller about the maintenance history of the machine and whether it has been properly cared for. I put 10 -15K through a 346 and it has been very reliable, not the greatest bale consistency but cheap to work on. It would either pull apart the knot or break right at it. And why not try sisal. Rockford, Illinois 61102. I have been tightening the bale tension now that my bales are so light and it will bale 20-30 and then miss 2-3 in a row. The knotter is what ties the bales of hay together so that they can be properly stored and transported. You can shim the arm to minimize the slack but it was too worn allowing the arm to hang too low and the wiper wouldn't always clean the knot off the billhook. Rotate the clutch ring counterclockwise until it contacts the trip dog roller then reinstall the cluster gear. The amount of horsepower needed to run a bailer depends on the model of the machine and the size of the area being drained. The John Deere 338 Baler is a popular model of baler, but it is not without its problems. Upon investigation I found that the tails of the knot where getting hung up in the billhook jaw, and the twine would break as the next bale was formed. I"m assuming that it throws the best when the hydraulic oil in the thrower is cold? That's for certain. If I pull it out and grease it up I can say with confidence it will still run well. Finally, many owners complain about the overall quality of the machine. }, I run 190 plastic on my jd 336 and can pack a super tight bale with not issues if it pulling out or breaking.l knock on wood. My old JD Baler hated the thin plastic twine. If possible, disconnect the PTO shaft from the tractor before attempting to remove the bale. }, Check twine tension. Whatever the cause, its incredibly frustrating to have your baler constantly breaking down. There might be something off that is causing the knots to not be tied correctly. Insert the feeder pivot pin into the bottom hole of the feeder fingers. For some reason the tension plate on the right twine box needs to be a bit tighter than the left box, otherwise it will do what your Deere is doing. Index. We run poly 130 lb in a 336 and 348, hundreds of spools. Blaine Harrington III/Corbis Documentary/GettyImages. How easy is it to adjust the plunger on a Deere 336, 327, 348 type balers How easy/hard is it to adjust/move your baler's plunger/knife over to the stationary knife? I'm doing some upgrades on my 24T right now, because of a similar reason. 6 should be plenty to throw 45-50lb bales over the back of an 18ft wagon if the ejector is working properly at 500+ PTO speed. }, IMHO - the 336 is one of the best balers of all time, but there is some age on them. I do not and will not use sisal because the crap we get here is so inconsistent that proper tension can't be maintained and that leads to a lot of slips and broken bales. These hay restrictor plates are designed to be installed on both the right and left hand sides. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. A NH 575 or BC5070 will eat a 348's lunch. Hope you got a screaming deal on this baler. Case IH also offers a wide range of models, and their products are known for their durability and quality. If you notice hay getting lodged in your roller bars, be sure to clean it out right away to avoid any further damage. The needles appear to have a weird curve to them. the pump could be worn out. This can cause the belts to slip, which will lead to reduced performance and eventually damage to the belts. check the slip clutch on the baler. Smaller twine would be worse. Later in the day I was cranking down on the bale tension and the knots would hold most of the time but randomly I would loose 2-3 in a row for some reason. Lets take a look. A bit of twine stuck in there causes issues and can be hard to spot. "@type": "ImageObject", I would also make sure your twine disk are in time and the knifes are sharp. I also think the 273 is an excellent baler too. A square baler works by means of a number of complex mechanisms that all function in concert with one another. No issues other than had to run 1-2 lb tension of the needles against the knotter (vs leaving a small clearance that works with sisal) so when cycling it would catch the twine reliably. Smaller twine could need the twine disks adjusted to hold it properly. Is the wiper arm tension to the bill hook correct. But worn parts can mess up your bale ties. "interactionType": "https://schema.org/CommentAction", Farmers have reported problems with this model of baler including difficulty feeding hay into the chamber, bales not being tied properly, and bales falling apart after being tied. . 336. no troubles if the slip clutch was bad would that affect the whole baler not just the thrower? If you notice your drive chain coming off track, be sure to stop using the machine immediately and call a John Deere service technician for assistance. Smaller twine would be worse. Improper wiper arm adjustment, or tucker fingers out of adjustment. The John Deere 336 Square Baler Operators Manual fits the John Deere 336. Trouble Shooting. Replace Worn Out Parts If cleaning and adjusting the settings doesnt fix your problem, then it might be time to replace some of the parts on your baler knotter. J. JD3430 If these mechanisms are not properly synchronized, it can lead to improperly formed bales, broken twine or even damage to the baler itself. After completing the CAPTCHA below, you will immediately regain access to the site again. Welcome! Reconnect the feeder drive chain and turn the flywheel clockwise to tighten it. New aftermarket needle. We recommend this Hay Dog Kit to solve the problems of . I had one that would work with cold oil but as soon as you made 20-35 throws it would lose distance. Second, you need to consider the condition of the baler. }, "@context":"https://schema.org", Clean out all the hay in your baler, find out where all your protection is (slip clutch, brake disk, shear bolts or pins) make sure all is in order and adjusted correctly. wiper shaft bushings wiper shaft For some reason the tension plate on the right twine box needs to be a bit tighter than the left box, otherwise it will do what your Deere is doing. I gave it a couple whacks to bend the arm up to wipe the billhook with more pressure. The only thing that I can figure is that the needle are bent into a tighter circle or they are not the correct needles for the baler. Here are a couple of photos with the needles all the way forward. If everything is working properly, you should be able to produce around 60-70 bales per hour with your John Deere 336 Baler. I had run it through several cycles with the knotters flipped up so that is probably why the wiper arm is out of position. Have sharpened cutter and adjusted wiper. This is an easy adjustment as you increase the bill hook tension by tightening the bill hook tension by turning the nut with the spring under it clockwise. As you were browsing something about your browser made us think you were a bot. Re: 336 john deere baler with 30 thrower problemsin reply to farmboy4450, 07-15-2013 09:58:56 Make sure you are running the PTO near 500-540rpm. } The knotter that was tying had the arm replaced at one time while the one acting up was (I'm sure) the original. The stud that the flat spring and nut are on are "pointing" toward the right. This will often narrow down the problem. pretty pathetic when it cant throw straw bales to the back of the wagon the pump could be worn out. no real issues. Im wondering if youve got some haydogs with broken springs and/or just missing allowing the hay to push rear and foul-up the knotter operation. Replaces John Deere OEM part #AE48552. I would recommend making the adjustment in half turn increments as excessive bill hook tension can cause other issues. the whole baler itself works just fine. They're cheap, bolt on a new one. "@type": "ImageObject", all desity and weight of bales this happens. You've disabled cookies in your web browser. Same size bale; 14x18 and plunger strokes (80) for both balers. A 2 or 3 year old baler may have more bales through it than a 30 year old farm used baler. pretty pathetic when it cant throw straw bales to the back of the wagon. John Deere 4030 / 4020 / 1209 New Holland 848 / Reactions: JD3430. it throws the best cold. If you notice that your belt tensioners are starting to loosen, be sure to check them regularly and tighten them as needed. My early knotter doesn't appear to have adjustable twine disc timing like shown in the manual so I left that. This can be a problem if you are trying to produce hay for your animals or sell bales of hay to others. "name": "Jim Manley" Both needles do not come close to the twine disk. Have someone turn the baler over by hand and compare the knotter that's acting up to the one that's tying while you watch through one cycle. Just keeps going. 336 john deere baler with 30 thrower problems. --- Emerson. 3. "John Deere: Operator's Manual for 332 and 336 Balers"; John Deere. If youre a John Deere 336 baler owner, then you know that this model is notorious for having problems. "image": { Just an observation from your pictures. Our 336 started doing what you are describing on one knotter this summer and I found a worn wiper arm shaft and bushing. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. it stays on 8 all the time. we leave it there for the longer racks. obivously not too cold but cold from sitting. I'd take a hard look at the needle carriage as well. Additional information is available in this. Also, forget sharpening the knife. Make sure you are running the PTO near 500-540rpm. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Use a knife or other sharp object to cut the twine that is holding the bale in place. Baler needs to be up to pto speed (540 rpm). Once the PTO shaft is engaged, you can start the engine and let it idle for a few minutes. Confirm that the plunger head appears in the slot next to the bale measuring arm. It is a project that always requires patience. I switched to plastic (9600/210) and we dont have broken bales and the only knot that comes loose is the one I tie between balls of twine. A 336 will have a narrower pickup than an 338 or 34X other than that I think they are great balers. { The John Deere 347 Baler was made from 1983 to 1987. Also, forget sharpening the knife. This baler had a PTO shaft with shear bolt protection and an automatic chain oiler. The other knotter will bale 40 and miss 1 then might bale 6 and miss 2 or 3. If this causes the front feeder finger to move out of the 9-1/2 to 11-1/2 inch range, reset the finger at 10-1/2 inches, this time disconnecting the main drive chain instead of the feeder drive chain. Next Im thinking is the tucker finger working correctly. Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: 30 kicker on JD 336 baler problem. I also had to set my needles closer to the twine disc than the manual says, I think the needle frame bushings are a bit loose and it would hang the twine in the wrong spot for the twine disc to pick up. The pickup had 5 tines per inch and was 10 feet wide. ", Serial Number. Trip the bale measuring arm. Replaces John Deere OEMAE25363, Inflatable tire with stem and cap. We have had one for years. They're cheap, bolt on a new one. "publisher": { I do not and will not use sisal because the crap we get here is so inconsistent that proper tension can't be maintained and that leads to a lot of slips and broken bales. I make a more consistant bale. }. Have Your Baler Serviced If youve tried all of the above and your baler still isnt working right, then its probably time to take it in for service. We saw a lot of failures with slip clutch centers due to the limited contact area with the shaft's spline. Insert the feeder pivot pin into the bottom hole of the feeder fingers. The knotter that was tying had the arm replaced at one time while the one acting up was (I'm sure) the original. "height": 57 I think the correct twine for that baler is 9000. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", We've had many requests over the years on how to remove knotters from the 6 and 7 series John Deere balers. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. "name": "Farmboy4450" Also check the twine discs for bits of busted twine wound into them. Just curious. The distance should be between 9-1/2 and 11-1/2 inches. If bales are too loose why aren't you tightening instead loosening the cranks on the rear of bale case? where would you check the pump pressure at? Always consult equipment operator's manual and follow safety instructions before operating or servicing any tractor or equipment, or attempting any task. Loading the Twine Box - John Deere 348 Square. You must log in or register to reply here. The plunger head face should appear in the slot next to the bale measuring arm. if the slip clutch was bad would that affect the whole baler not just the thrower? "dateModified": "2012-09-10", Thanks for any ideas. And why not try sisal. } Improper wiper arm adjustment, or tucker fingers out of adjustment. They're cheap, bolt on a new one. If youre a farmer, then you know that John Deere is one of the most trusted brands in agricultural equipment. Operation. the first 10 bales will make it to the back of the wagon but thats it. "@type": "Person", American Express Thanks, Bill Only small sq baler plungerhead I've adjusted is JD and the JD models you mentioned adjust very similar. The timing of your baler should be checked and adjusted, as necessary, at the beginning of each operating shift. The Quickest Way to Get Your Parts Shipped is to Order Online, Liquid error (snippets/product-badge line 32): Computation results in '-Infinity', DIY Hay Dog Rebuild Kit 336, 327, 337, 328, 338, Remove Knotters from 6 and 7 Series Balers, Updated Tucker Finger Kit for John Deere Model 336, 346, Euro 342, Updated Slip Clutch Center for John Deere Models 336, 346, 327, 337, Cat. "mainEntityOfPage": { Yep. The tension should be set so that the bars are tight enough to prevent them from slipping, but not so tight that they are difficult to move. 6 should be plenty to throw 45-50lb bales over the back of an 18ft wagon if the ejector is working properly at 500+ PTO speed. The fact that the knot remains in the billfoot indicates wiper arm adjustment needed. A forum community dedicated to hay, forage and silage owners and enthusiasts. "datePublished": "2012-09-10", Please use the navigational links to explore our website. The knot seems to be frayed some instead of cut clean like working side and when it misses the knot is not wiped off and the knot is pulled down into the knotter. I have a John Deere Model 850 tractor which delivers approximately 23 hp to the PTO. Please use the navigational links to explore our website. Here are some of the most common issues that owners have reported with their John Deere 336 balers. "headline":"JD 336 Baler knotter problem", The frame where the needles are bolted appears OK. This issue is compounded as I have an old Hoeschler accumulator behind it and it doesn't want to cycle as well because the lighter bales don't feed the same. It is important to keep an eye on the pressure gauge while baling hay and stop if it begins to fall too low. I'll bet it is bent, too. 1. A third-party browser plugin, such as Ghostery or NoScript, is preventing JavaScript from running. A 336 will have a narrower pickup than an 338 or 34X other than that I think they are great balers. "@id": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/" Next, you will need to engage the PTO shaft and make sure that it is properly secured. "@type": "Person", For model 328, 338, 348, click here. I believe that the needles are coming up in time and in the correct position. Both balers only miss once per spool after they have run a few bales through at start of season. Also, FYI, in my experience with #30 ejectors, if you run the ejector over 6 to get heavy bales (60+ lb) into the wagon, you are going to break the H frame at the pivot point (most have already broken and show the typical welds and re-welds). Thanks in advance, I went from a NH 273 to a JD 348. I gave it a couple whacks to bend the arm up to wipe the billhook with more pressure. "@type":"DiscussionForumPosting", will throw to the middle only and sometimes not over the front of the rack at all. Rotate the flywheel counterclockwise until the tip of the highest needle is flush with the top edge of the bale case groover. Attachments E15305F________UN01JAN94.gif I have an older john deere 336 baler that I have had for 4 seasons now and this season its struggling to make a nice tight bale in dry grass hay. It looks like the wiper arm is wiping and it should not be with the needles in that position. You've disabled JavaScript in your web browser. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. cotter pin "@type": "ImageObject", 2023 TractorByNet.com | TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners. 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