Give today. We'd love to have you in the queue. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. Have it reported down in the Keene area. The sub-population in Florida is known as the Florida panther . I'm Peter Biello. When the federal Endangered Species Act came along, the Eastern Cougar (Puma concolor cougar), the subspecies of Mountain Lon ti hat orgi inally occurred My YouTube Channel NH Fish and Game YouTube Channel My Facebook Page My Weekly Live Stream on the NH Wildlife Federation FB Page Home About Eric 2022 NH Nature Notes NH Wildlife NH Wildlife Deer Deer in NH Well they are the same. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. Since then, there have been a handful of confirmed mountain. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. Give today. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. They are the same thing. Possible Mountain Lion Sighting in New Hampshire CONCORD, N.H. -- The New Hampshire Fish and Game Department today reported that one of its staff members, following up on a routine report of a mountain lion sighting, saw what is believed to be a mountain lion in a rural area of Barnstead, N.H. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. Good morning guys. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Caller: Oh hi. Part II. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. Let us know your story and share your photos! However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. It was killed in Lee New Hampshire in 1853. Well within there. This animal, IMHO, was probably live caught as an adult from the wild and brought to the . John you're on the air. If youd like to submit a question (or send a mountain line photo) you can record it as a voice memo on your smart phone and send it tooustidein@nhpr.org, OR call our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (1-844-466-8837) and leave a message. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. And so. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. So give us a call now. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. Thank you. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. But you've done some reporting on this. More than 450 Facebook users as of Thursday had shared a photo Marc Weir posted Wednesday showing the big cat and . Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. A trail of DNA evidence collected over the years shows this particular mountain lion had traveled through New York, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Deer manages to free itself from the claws of a mountain lion in Alpine, California. (Credit: Buddy Wilkerson via Storyful) . It's bigger but bigger and better world. And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. Mike thanks for your call. Right. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. The report came in from a conservation officer. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. The Idaho Department of Fish and Game last week killed a mountain lion that entered a Hailey family's chicken coop, marking the third time the agency has killed a mountain lion in the Wood River . Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. These were normal everyday folks. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. Novartis sold $1.1 billion worth of Gilenya in the U.S. last year, a 19% drop from 2021 that was caused in part by generic competition, according to . Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. Caller: Oh yeah. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. Think you've seen a mountain lion. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. I just want to tell you a story that I read. And those are not the same things. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. John. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. It was killed in Lee New Hampshire in 1853. There was a lot of DNA evidence. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. The cougar is also commonly known as mountain lion, puma, mountain cat, catamount, or panther. It's good to talk to you. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Here it is. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. That's pretty elaborate. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. It's you know I recognized their report and. Patrick Tate: Okay. Thanks for a great thanks. 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